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Pens telecast caught cheating

Posted by Chris Shafer On January - 10 - 2010

Perhaps one of the most dangerous precedents in hockey history has been started by Gary Bettman’s “model franchise.” You know, the same one that was about to move to Kansas City due to fan base disenchantment, ended up drafting in the top two selections four years in a row, and eventually won a Stanley Cup last year after some questionable “good luck” throughout the playoffs?

Yeah that’s the Pittsburgh Penguins, complete with two of the top three players in the world. For all those conspiracy nuts out there, I would just like to point out that Gary Bettman is not sitting on the phone calling the officials during Penguins games, but there is clearly something fishy going on. If you witnessed the 7-4 victory earlier this week then you know exactly what I’m talking about.

Yes, Gagne definitely scored his 500th career point during a game against the Pittsburgh Penguins. Though he eventually got it last night in a 4-1 win against the Tampa Bay Lightning, there still seems to be a certain injustice going on here.

Well, according to Sam Carchidi, this is how it all went down:

An NHL executive said last night that replay officials in Toronto were not given the proper replays by Fox Sports in Pittsburgh on Thursday, when they ruled that Simon Gagne’s goal did not count against the host Penguins.

Gagne swatted a second-period rebound that Penguins goalie Brent Johnson smothered and appeared to carry into the net. It was not ruled a goal on the ice, and when replay officials in Toronto viewed the replays, they said the evidence was “inconclusive” and did not count the goal. A few minutes after the ruling, another replay was shown in the press box, showing the puck past the goal line.

Fox did not send that replay to Toronto officials until after the puck was dropped following the ruling.

“At that point, the ruling was permanent,” said John Dellapina, an NHL executive.

The Flyers’ telecast was using the Pittsburgh video feed and did not have any video to send to Toronto.

This brings up a number of questions:

  1. Have they done this before?
  2. How many times have they done this?
  3. What else could they be getting away with?

If you’re not at least asking some very important questions at this point, then you’re missing something. What use is video replay in the NHL if teams, especially ones like the Pittsburgh Penguins who seem to have good luck flying out of their skates, withhold evidence to keep reviews/calls in their favor?

Granted, the Flyers won that game by a pretty sizable score, but if the Penguins had managed to come back, this would be a game 2 fiasco all over again. For those unfamiliar with game 2 of the playoff series last year, please refer to this:

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The Flyers are now 7-1-1 in their last 9 after a 4-1 win at home against the Tampa Bay Lightning. Betts scored twice with a goal each by Giroux and Hartnell. The Dallas Stars come into town Tuesday for a 7:00 game.

Leighton performed well yet again. If you take out the Ottawa game, where after 9 minutes he had a 13.16 GAA and a 0.714 SV%, then he is sitting at 1.84 GAA and a 0.942 SV%. Just imagine what Ray Emery could do behind a team performing this well.

Speaking of Emery, last night during a 2-1 Adirondack Phantoms loss to Portland, he let in 2 goals on 14 shots against for a 2.03 GAA and a 0.857 SV%. Numbers aren’t always a fair and reasonable way to show how well someone performed, but it might be another game or two before Emery starts for the Flyers once again.

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  • http://twitter.com/SkullneckExec A.B.S.

    the Pens are the Yankees of hockey. I love to hate them cause they give me every reason to. Crosby is a pussy by the way.

  • psudrozz

    you had to show that bullshit game 2 call…..am still steaming about that one.

  • PensFan1966

    So, just exactly what is that 2nd video supposed to be showing? Other than Staal getting hooked as he's comming out of the corner?

  • Chris Shafer

    You mean other than Carter getting called for a hook when Staal is really grabbing Carter's stick so that Carter can't defend? You mean the officiating “mistake” that cost the Flyers game 2?

    Officials desperate to get things evened up (especially when it involves the Penguins, because a Penguins comeback to the NHL is seen as nothing more than $$$) will see what they want to see.

    That's why this was included. The Gagne incident didn't cost the Flyers a game, but the Carter incident cost the Flyers the advantage in the series last year.

  • Chris Shafer

    Sorry, but it was to prove a point. At some point the league has to stop force-feeding victories to the Penguins just because it means extra money in their pockets.

    When money is on the line, you'll find you can see whatever you want to see.

  • Chris Shafer

    Everybody except Penguins fans and bandwagon Penguins fans hate the Penguins.

  • Smit

    Sorry, but your boy Hartnell is a pussy. Crosby plays harder than any superstar in the league, he's not a fighter. Hartnell is cheap then he cowers as soon as he's challenged. Philly fans are just bitter because year after year they have hopes that this could be the team, only to fail time and time again. When was your last cup? Hey, at least you have the Phillies, thank God I hate baseball because the Pirates are a disgrace.

  • Smitty72

    Yeah because stuff like that never happens…it's only the pens who get away with it. Give me a break and quit crying.

  • ivand66

    So one dude responsible for sending the NHL the proper replays at FSN Pittsburgh for some reason doesn't send the replay to the NHL and the Penguins are cheating, right?

    You gotta be kidding me. This post is as sensationalist as it gets, even for a homer hockey blogger like yourself. You're making wild assumptions in order to make a connection between the Penguins and cheating. There's absolutely nothing here and if you took your orange glasses off, you'd see it.

    First of all, and this should be fairly obvious if you've been watching hockey for a long time, the replay that FSN showed at the end there does not show the puck over the goal line. You can ASSUME it's over the line, but if you can't see white ice between the puck and the goal line, there's nothing there.

    You're assuming this isn't an mistake of some kind and the guy did it on purpose. You simply don't know that. The replay isn't even conclusive, so why would they hold it back? This is ridiculous. You think the guy's gonna do this in a game the Penguins are already losing by 2 goals and risk losing his job? *facepalm*

    And good job forgetting about Crosby's goal in Game 2 of the 2008 East Finals, which was the exact same scenario for the Penguins:

    Video's here – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-W-GhiAKYA&feat...

    Good job forgetting about that one. That puck's over the line, but you can't see white ice between the puck and the line because of Biron's glove. There was a picture which I can't find for the life of me right now which clearly showed the puck all the way over the goal line.

    The point is, this is most likely a mistake. Someone at FSN screwed up. To insinuate it was intentional is just you being a homer. But because the Penguins own your beloved Flyers, you have to feed the conspiracy theorists and try to trash the Pens any way you can, even if it's FSN Pittsburgh. No one employed by the Penguins had anything to do with this.

    And by the way, Gary's model franchise? No, you joke, it's Mario's model franchise. They were forced to rebuild and had the lowest payroll in the NHL because of financial reasons. They had a horrible deal on the lease for Mellon Arena, and even if attendance had been good, they were still losing millions every year. Lemieux and company did all the right things. They got the draft picks, had 3 bad seasons before the lockout (Mario was hurt every year and had little help) and they came back strong ready to contend for a Cup after the lockout.

    They were 1 of only 3 teams that had 3 balls at the Crosby lottery. There's no conspiracy there. And if you followed the Penguins back then you'd know they deserved those 3 balls. Also, they originally had the 3rd pick in the 2003 draft and traded up to get Fleury. That was Craig Patrick doing that, not Gary Bettman.

    But the fact that you take a shot at the Penguins by mentioning Gary Bettman just shows how biased you are.

    Oh, one last thing, that Flyers penalty in Game 2 would never have happened if that guy on the Flyers doesn't put his stick across Staal's body like that. It was a smart play by Staal to draw a penalty. I've seen that so many times before too. You don't put your stick on a player like that and expect nothing to happen. To blame the loss on that penalty alone is beyond assinine. But then again, the worst kind of losers always find an excuse or one bad call to blame the refs on a loss, and the worst kind of losers are Philadelphia sports fans.

    We had good luck in the playoffs? Guess what. Detroit had 9 more power plays in the Finals. And even if you take out Game 5, they still had 2 more PPs. Your insinuations and theories are pathetic.

  • ivand66

    So one dude responsible for sending the NHL the proper replays at FSN Pittsburgh for some reason doesn't send the replay to the NHL and the Penguins are cheating, right?

    You gotta be kidding me. This post is as sensationalist as it gets, even for a homer hockey blogger like yourself. You're making wild assumptions in order to make a connection between the Penguins and cheating. There's absolutely nothing here and if you took your orange glasses off, you'd see it.

    First of all, and this should be fairly obvious if you've been watching hockey for a long time, the replay that FSN showed at the end there does not show the puck over the goal line. You can ASSUME it's over the line, but if you can't see white ice between the puck and the goal line, there's nothing there.

    You're assuming this isn't an mistake of some kind and the guy did it on purpose. You simply don't know that. The replay isn't even conclusive, so why would they hold it back? This is ridiculous. You think the guy's gonna do this in a game the Penguins are already losing by 2 goals and risk losing his job? *facepalm*

    And good job forgetting about Crosby's goal in Game 2 of the 2008 East Finals, which was the exact same scenario for the Penguins:

    Video's here – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-W-GhiAKYA&feat...

    Good job forgetting about that one. That puck's over the line, but you can't see white ice between the puck and the line because of Biron's glove. There was a picture which I can't find for the life of me right now which clearly showed the puck all the way over the goal line.

    The point is, this is most likely a mistake. Someone at FSN screwed up. To insinuate it was intentional is just you being a homer. But because the Penguins own your beloved Flyers, you have to feed the conspiracy theorists and try to trash the Pens any way you can, even if it's FSN Pittsburgh. No one employed by the Penguins had anything to do with this.

    And by the way, Gary's model franchise? No, you joke, it's Mario's model franchise. They were forced to rebuild and had the lowest payroll in the NHL because of financial reasons. They had a horrible deal on the lease for Mellon Arena, and even if attendance had been good, they were still losing millions every year. Lemieux and company did all the right things. They got the draft picks, had 3 bad seasons before the lockout (Mario was hurt every year and had little help) and they came back strong ready to contend for a Cup after the lockout.

    They were 1 of only 3 teams that had 3 balls at the Crosby lottery. There's no conspiracy there. And if you followed the Penguins back then you'd know they deserved those 3 balls. Also, they originally had the 3rd pick in the 2003 draft and traded up to get Fleury. That was Craig Patrick doing that, not Gary Bettman.

    But the fact that you take a shot at the Penguins by mentioning Gary Bettman just shows how biased you are.

    Oh, one last thing, that Flyers penalty in Game 2 would never have happened if that guy on the Flyers doesn't put his stick across Staal's body like that. It was a smart play by Staal to draw a penalty. I've seen that so many times before too. You don't put your stick on a player like that and expect nothing to happen. To blame the loss on that penalty alone is beyond assinine. But then again, the worst kind of losers always find an excuse or one bad call to blame the refs on a loss, and the worst kind of losers are Philadelphia sports fans.

    We had good luck in the playoffs? Guess what. Detroit had 9 more power plays in the Finals. And even if you take out Game 5, they still had 2 more PPs. Your insinuations and theories are pathetic.

  • ivand66

    One more thing… Pens were never gonna move to KC. That was pure business tactics by Lemieux and company. Like just about every sports team in America, they needed the government to help them build a new arena. As I said, they ended up with the lowest payroll due mostly to the fact that they had a terrible lease on their arena. But of course, since you're just another dumb Flyers fan, you either don't know this or choose to ignore it altogether.

    Mellon Arena is old as hell. It doesn't have nearly enough luxury suites. A capacity crowd is only 17,132. It's hard to make money when your arena is that old.

    And even now with a much better lease, they still barely break even while playing at the Igloo, even while selling out and going all the way to the Finals 2 years in a row. That's how much it sucks.

    Fan support had very little to do with that. You're just another bitter Flyers fan.

    And I forgot to point out how pathetic that first paragraph is.

    “Perhaps one of the most dangerous precedents in hockey history has been started by Gary Bettman’s “model franchise.””

    HAHAHA! Someone screws up at FSN and somehow the Penguins have started one of the most dangerous precedents in “hockey history”! LOL! That's beyond sensationalism. You sir, are a complete joke. Not even Abel To Yzerman could come up with a sentence that preposterous. That's so amusing though… Keep up the hate, loser.

  • Pete Wilton

    Where is the clip of Richards lining up Kennedy coming out of his zone with the puck?
    That Chicken-shiite muslim sure likes to sneak his way into lining up players that are being bothered by his teammates.
    Saw the Biting incident again … it was humorous to see Richards turtle in the net after running Fluery … that guy has no guts …

    What is even better is that after years/decades of an inferiority complex from Philadelphia toward New York, they get trumped by a tiny little backwater town in their own state wrt sports domination.

    At least they have the Phillies …

    ABS says it best … pens are the Yankees of Hockey …
    Ha ha ha

  • Slush

    The war room in Toronto uses Dish Network DVR's and that replay angle was shown before the ref even went to the phone for the review, so why they didn't use the rewind button is beyond me. Go to youtube and look up Toronto war room to actually see how it works, apparently they hit the rewind button all the time. Perhaps the title of this should be changed from Pens Cheat to War Room Not Doing Their Job?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GhostWalker40 GhostWalker40

    Even when your team wins by 3, these pathetic “fans” still have to cry and whine about something.

    Getting your ass beat year after year by the Penguins must suck, but stop being a bunch whining pussies already, it's getting old.

  • http://twitter.com/romez Roman Zubarev

    Can't wait for FSN to get buuuuusssteeed. The NHL has opened an investigation: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/homepage/20...

  • http://twitter.com/SethDH Seth Hastings

    Well it appears as though if you call out Shittsburgh for being the goats they are, people actually take their side. I guess they all found some time to get away from cutting all the tags off their Crosby gear. Shhh….we know you really aren't a bandwagon fan, it's ok.

    Seems to me like these Pens fans have missed the point. It's gone from “FSN withheld video” to “the only comeback we have is that our team is better”.

    I'm sure there are bigger fish to fry than whether or not video was withheld. Like when Letang broke a nail. There's something we need to discuss. How in the world can we make sure poor Kris doesn't break a nail anymore? Forget about cheating, nobody would ever do that.

  • psudrozz

    no, it just seems to happen at the best times for the penguins. that's all.

  • psudrozz

    if you can't see staal blatently holding carter's stick….

  • psudrozz

    actually, you should prob check the historical records of flyers vs. pens before you make the accusation that the flyers get their ass beat “year after year”. recent success does not equal “year after year”.

    cripes, it only took 4 straight years of getting one of the top two picks for you guys to turn things around.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GhostWalker40 GhostWalker40

    Hmm, lets see, booting the flyers from the playoffs the past 2 years, would be, let's see, YEAR AFTER YEAR. Hmmm, not counting beating you 3 out of 4 times this year.

    It's funny when trying to have a conversation with a flyer “fan” since all they can do is bring up things that are WAY in the past and nothing current.

    The Penguins own the flyers NOW, which is all that is important, so get your head out of the ass of the 70's.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GhostWalker40 GhostWalker40

    The amount of crying from you people is comical at this point.

    The classlessness of the flyers & their “fans” has no boundaries. You can't even win without something to bitch about. Absolutely one of the most embarrassing fan bases in the league.

  • Jay_UK

    I think you'll find ALL penguins fans are bandwagon fans!

  • psudrozz

    actually, “year after year” is an idiom which does imply the long term. not just two years. so yes, i can bring up “things that are WAY in the past”.

    hey, recent success is great. congratulations. just wondering where the pens fans were when they routinely were getting their asses handed to them. like before the coaching change last year. or when they had the two best players on the planet (lemiuex, jagr) and couldn't even fill that crappy toilet bowl of an arena. or when their owner bailed them out and still they wouldn't show up. that's all.

    it's funny when trying to have a conversation with a pitt “fan”, since by their definitions, they are only a fan year after year. they just have that weird selective memory.

    now go back to your mudfarming, ya rustbelt town hick.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GhostWalker40 GhostWalker40

    If I were a fan for only a few years, it's better than being the kind of trash that is the flyer fanbase.

    I've probably been a Penguins fan longer than your dumb ass has been alive.

    I understand your only argument is about how many fans the Penguins have or how long they have been fans, ya know, the important stuff. Oh wait, that's only important to asshole flyer “fans” when their team get booted from the playoffs 2 years in a row and can't stop Crosby from owning your team EVERY year. It's hilarious that you guys got Pronger to stop 1 guy from kicking your ass & it didn't even come close to working. lol

    Here ya go, flyer “fans” looking stupid again (watch @ 5:35, you'll enjoy it):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwE2p0ME95A

    Penguins have 2 of the best players in the league, flyers have…..um….Pronger…hahahahah

    Penguins have the Stanley Cup, flyers have….um…..

    You morons think penalty minutes & suspensions wins games. How funny is that!!

    P.S. Rocky isn't a real person.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GhostWalker40 GhostWalker40

    We seem to forget that we are trying to have a conversation with flyer “fans”.

    We should just find a big rock to talk to, we'd get the same response

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GhostWalker40 GhostWalker40

    Exactly how does the league make more money from the Penguins winning?

    Explain in detail, since you are so “all knowing” about the Penguins organization

  • bigstevie

    Pittsburgh fans, I do not know much about hockey, a fact that the proprietors of this fine sports blog are well aware of.

    However, what I AM familiar with is your so-called City.

    Quite simply, it is the most ABYSMAL place I have ever been to. Having lived in Beaver County for 6 months, I could not for the life of me understand why people were excited to go to Pittsburgh and do things. Its awful.

    “OH YEAH MAN WE GO TO CARSON STREET AND DRINK BEERS!!” Really?!?! Good for you.

    It is the worst city I have ever traveled to, the airport is a million miles away, in Moon. You're surrounded on 3 sides by water and 2 of those sides by semi-large hills.

    Quite simply, you have no argument, as stated in the article, your team was a hair away from moving to KC, they went so far as to build a god damn arena for the Pens. And then at the last minute they decide to stay in that awful, cloudy, cold, and overall horrible city.

  • http://twitter.com/kierankelly Kieran Kelly

    No need to put fans in quotes here Ghost. We only do that for Pittsburgh “fans.” Unlike you guys, our team was never in danger of moving. See, even when the team was the worst in the league in 2007, we still came out for the team.

    The Pens tanked for a few years to build up on high prospects. That would never fly in Philly. The Flyers were back in the playoffs a year after having the worst record in franchise history. Yes, the good guys have lost to the Pens the past two seasons, but shit happens sometimes.

    When you come to a Philly blog in order to talk shit, it just reaffirms what kind of “fans” you are.

  • http://twitter.com/kierankelly Kieran Kelly

    I was actually going to take the time to put together a solid response to your comment, but the end just killed it.

    Why do people think saying “Rocky isn't real” is a hurtful thing to say to a Philly fan? No shit he's not real, but we've embraced him for his attitude. I'd proudly say Rocky is our most famous “athlete.” He epitomizes the true spirit of what it means to be a Philadelphian. Rocky couldn't have been made in any other city and become the movie franchise that it has.

    What does Shittsburgh have? Nothing..

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    [...] little mishap by the Penguins telecast got everyone so fired up? If not, then you might want to read our post about it. It turns out to not be that minor an issue to the dismay of many Penguins fans replying to our [...]

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GhostWalker40 GhostWalker40

    Yeah, I'm sure you had a “solid response”.

    What does PITTSBURGH have?

    Hmm, let's see, a Super Bowl & oh yeah, a Stanley Cup. Why I even bothered to set you assholes straight is beyond me. Stupid me for thinking you even had 1 brain cell.

    Rocky…………..ahahahahahahahahaha

    I'm done here, you people are such morons. My team has the cup, yours will never see it in your lifetime, I win…..buh bye…

  • http://twitter.com/romez Roman Zubarev

    Yep, there it is:

    “FSN Pittsburgh has indefinitely suspended a member of its telecast staff, Lowell MacDonald Jr., son of former Penguins player Lowell MacDonald.

    In a statement, FSN Pittsburgh — the local broadcasts rights-holder for the Penguins — said, “There is nothing more important than the integrity of the game. During last Thursday's game against the Philadelphia Flyers, a definitive replay of a Flyers goal was not aired prior to the conclusion of the official review and, as a result, a Flyers goal was not awarded. Fortunately, this did not change the outcome of the game. Nonetheless, FSN Pittsburgh's failure to provide video to the league officials in a timely fashion was wholly unacceptable. FSN Pittsburgh has addressed this matter and has taken steps to ensure that such a failure does not occur again.”

    The Penguins followed with a statment: “We fully support FSN Pittsburgh in its reaction to this issue. The integrity of the game is paramount.”

    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10012/1027693-10...

  • PENSSUCKBETTMANSWALLOWS

    at least we stay loyal to our team, through good times and the bad, and have never been on the brink of being moved to a different city because nobody went to see your shitty team, you god damn bandwagon jumpers

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GhostWalker40 GhostWalker40

    Ok, this was to funny to pass up.

    You are such a loser that you had to sign up to reply to me!! You moron!!

    I love all those empty seats I've been seeing at flyer home games. Uh huh, you guys sure do support your team!! lol

    Keep up with the same old broken record…..your team still sucks….PERIOD!

    BUH BYE!!!

  • PENSSUCKBETTMANSWALLOWS

    “thank god i hate baseball because the pirates are a disgrace” I'm sure if the pirates ever get lucky enough to win a world series, you'll come out as a lifelong fan…everyone in that stupid ass city is a disgrace

  • http://twitter.com/kierankelly Kieran Kelly

    All the empty seats? The Flyers are at 99.6% capacity for this season so far, even with a terrible stretch recently. They also traditionally lead the league in revenue because of the amount of fans that come through the gates.

  • http://twitter.com/kierankelly Kieran Kelly

    You don't have to capitalize words, I know how to spell and read. I wrote Shittsburgh for a reason.

    Philly has 2 Stanley Cups, a few World Series trophies, as well as an NBA team.

  • psudrozz

    you forgot to add that the nation was founded here.

  • psudrozz

    there is no way you can verify to me that you have been a pens fan longer than i have been alive, given that 1) you don't know how old i am and 2) i don't care. and if you have been such a passionate fan for years, again, why do you stick to recent history? again, you only reaffirm my argument that pens fans are short memoried bandwagon fools.

    given your arguments and diction, i would wager that you've been a pens fan since birth, which is around 4 years ago or so.

    of course the pens have 2 of the best players in the world. it's what happens when you have 1 of the top two picks for four years straight. due to failure. nobody denies this.

    it's a shame that in the only computer in pittsburgh, you wasted your time to come troll on a philly site with half-arguments and ignorant accusations.

    now go back to your shanty.

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